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bug: Komunitas wikipedia mau mabbuak halamang édé untuk mabbicara soalan-soalan tentang Wikipedia. Iakia: Komentar-komentar halamang, buak pranala diskusi (discussion) halang éro. Wikipedia tania tempa mengiklan Wikipedia tania sibua syarikat. Komunitas Wikipedia dek majjama béla Wikipedia. Wikipedia dek mabbea gaji ida, iakia sumbangan ida kepada tabung penubuhan lanrek riangkeki. Sila: Tulisik soalan ida ri awa halamang édé. (Muannéng ida dek/dek mau buak pranala éro, pasalinra lupa taip tajuk: == tajuk ==. Menandatangani soalan ida éngkalinga menaip " ~~~~ ". en: Requests for the bot flag should be made on this page. This wiki uses the standard bot policy, and allows global bots and automatic approval of certain types of bots. Other bots should apply below, and then request access from a steward if there is no objection.

Sysop request

I've requested sysop status for this Wikipedia from Meta Wiki. I may gain sysop rights if there is/are no objection(s) from other users of this Wikipedia. Please reply to this statement and state weather you agree or object. You can view the request page on meta here. --— Kurnia 19:42, 28 Uléŋ 1 2011 (UTC)

Setuju / Yes

1. Tampaknya tidak ada pengguna aktif lain di sini kecuali Anda.
   It seems that this wiki currently has no other active user other than you. Looking from your activity, I'd say yes. Bennylin 14:45, 30 Uléŋ 1 2011 (UTC)

   Terima kasih, wiki ini amat sunyi. --— Kurnia 19:54, 30 Uléŋ 1 2011 (UTC)

2. Saya turut mendukung anda menjadi sysop di wikipedia ini.Semangat 09:05, 2 Februari 2011 (UTC)
3. Saya turut mendukung anda menjadi sysop di wikipedia ini. Naval Scene 11:47, 2 Februari 2011 (UTC)

Pendapat - opinion

Permisi, excuse me, pardon, kulo nuwun. Aga kareba!

Saya lihat di perubahan terbaru Wikipedia Bahasa Bugis, banyak sekali dibuat artikel tentang komune di Perancis. Saya senang bahwa wikipedia bahasa Bugis kembali bergairah, namun saya hendak sedikit mengungkapkan keganjalan di hati saya. Artikel-artikel komune yang sangat banyak itu, sebagian besar hanya satu kalimat yang berisi "Komune x terletak di x, Perancis". Masalahnya adalah, pentingkah? Apakah penting membuat ribuan artikel seperti itu, yang tidak ada manfaatnya sama sekali? Apa yang bisa didapat dari seonggok kalimat itu? Satu artikel bermutu yang lengkap jauh lebih berguna daripada satu juta artikel semacam itu. Menurut saya, untuk wikipedia yang baru akan merangkak seperti Bugis ini, sebaiknya bertumpu pada pembinaan artikel-artikel dasar dalam berbagai bidang terlebih dahulu. Misalnya: proton, oksigen, tata surya, dan lain semacamnya. Selanjutnya artikel-artikel dasar itu dilengkapi, atau paling tidak, bisa dibaca dan dipetik manfaatnya dari para pembaca. Manfaatnya akan jauh lebih terasa, daripada jutaan artikel tak bermanfaat seperti itu. Ini hanyalah seonggok pendapat dari saya, yang merasa sedikit prihatin dengan kejar-kejaran jumlah artikel, tanpa memedulikan mutu. Kita harus bertumpu pada mutu, bukan kuantitas, karena ini ensiklopedia. Tingkatkan mutu artikel-artikel dasar, dan saya yakin Wikipedia Bugis akan maju. Terima kasih dan salam persaudaraan!

I have seen that in the recent change of Bugis Wikipedia, there are so many articles about commune in France. I am happy that Bugis Wikipedia has returned to the stage! However, i want to express my concern. These articles, most of them only consist of, "Commune x is located in xx, France". The problem is, is it important? Is it important to create thousands of articles like that, which dont contain any benefit? What can we get from the one-sentence thing? One good, or even best article, about a topic, is far more useful than one million one-sentence commune article. I think, for new wikipedia like Bugis, the wiki should focus on the creation of basic articles, for example proton, oxygen, solar system, etc. Next, the basic articles must be comprehensive, or at least, readable, and the benefit can be picked by the reader. It will be far more useful, rather than a million meaningless commune article. No offence, this is just my opinion, who is concerned with total article rank race like this. We should focus on the quality, not quantity, because this is encyclopedia. Increase the quality of basic articles, and i am sure that Bugis Wikipedia will be a great wiki. Thank you for your attention! Mimihitam 10:45, 2 Februari 2011 (UTC)m.

Apa kabar saudara/i Mimihitam, memang malang sekali rencana ciptaan saya itu kebanyakannya adalah stub. Ini kerana saya kurang fasih berbahasa Bugis dan kini sedang belajar. Tujuan dibuat artikel banyak-banyak adalah untuk menarik lebih ramai pengguna datang ke sini dan menyunting. Dengan harapan, seorang yang lebih fasih daripada saya akan datang dan menolong mewujudkan rencana yang lebih berkualitas. Apa-apa pun, saya ucapkan terima kasih kepada para pengguna yang sanggup singgah ke sini. :) --— Kurnia 15:58, 2 Februari 2011 (UTC)

Terima kasih atas jawabannya saudara Kurnia :) Ah begitu, tapi menurut saya, daripada membuat komune-komune tak berarti, lebih baik buatlah rintisan tentang artikel dasar yang belum ada. Seperti di wikipedia bahasa Banjar, salah satu perintisnya, Ezagren, bahasa Banjarnya juga masih di tingkat 2, tapi ia banyak menulis rintisan artikel dasar yang bisa lebih berguna untuk pembaca :) Menurut saya itu akan jauh lebih menarik orang daripada komune-komune yang akan membuat orang berpikir "ini ensiklopedia atau basis data komune Perancis"? Oh iya, mungkin untuk lebih menarik orang lagi, halaman utamanya dihias dengan gambar pilihan, artikel pilihan, tahukah Anda, dan segala macamnya. Ada pula saran dari pengguna WBI lain agar menggunakan aksara Latin dulu untuk sementara, karena Lontara sedikit membingungkan u/ mereka. Terima kasih, jabat erat, dan salam :) Mimihitam 00:23, 3 Februari 2011 (UTC)

Mengapa bot di Wikipedia ini kurang kelihatan ?.Semangat 11:04, 3 Februari 2011 (UTC)

@Mimihitam: Baiklah kalau begitu, saya akan cuba usahakan artikel-artikel rintisan tentang perkara-perkara asas. Tentang gambar pilihan, sudah saya letakkan pada Leppa Indoë (draf Laman Utama). Artikel pilihan dan tahukah anda belum bisa dibuat kerna belum ada artikel yang cukup layak, artikel dengan topik berlainan juga belum banyak, jadi tahukah anda belum bisa diwujudkan. Saya sekarang sedang cuba mendapat hak sysop sementara, sesudah mendapatnya, saya akan rumikan Wikipedia ini. :) --— Kurnia 14:22, 5 Februari 2011 (UTC)

Wah mantap, halaman utamanya jadi lebih menarik! Saya mengucapkan banyak terima kasih atas perhatiannya, dan juga saya mengapresiasi perombakan yang dilancarkan Sdr. Kurniasan. Semoga berhasil, dan saya mohon maaf apabila tidak bisa membantu, karena saya tak mampu berbicara dalam bahasa Bugis. Semoga Wikipedia Bugis semakin jaya!

P.S. Saya hanya bisa membantu dalam mencari penutur bahasa Bugis. Baru saja saya masukkan ajakan untuk menyumbang di facebook: [1] Mimihitam 01:33, 6 Februari 2011 (UTC)

Kapan agaknya wikipedia ini bisa mencapai 10.000 artikel.Semangat 11:20, 10 Februari 2011 (UTC)

Sysop request by Bersatu

I've requested sysop status for this Wikipedia from the Meta Wiki. I may gain sysop rights if there is/are no objection(s) from other users of this Wikipedia. Please reply to this statement and state weather about you agree or object. You can view the request page on meta here. Please. I want to advance this wikipedia.--Bersatu 10:58, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Setuju / Yes

• You have more contribs in this wikipedia.Aplikasi 16:46, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Multilingual Challenge

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Announcing the Derby Multilingual Challenge This is the first multilingual Wikipedia collaboration. All Wikipedians can take part, in any Wikipedia language. The challenge runs from 1 May until 3 September 2011. Sign up now! " Wikipedia is particularly pleased to see that Derby Museums are encouraging the creation of articles in languages other than English." (Jimmy Wales, 14 January 2011)

Andrew Dalby 11:43, 2 Méi 2011 (UTC)

Nationality

I see that the two members who asked for sysop for this Wiki are Malaysians. Don't get me wrong, I don't have any personal objections to Malaysians. But seeing as Bugis is a language that originated from Indonesia, I think it's appropriate to have Indonesians running this Wiki. God, I hope that doesn't sound like something racist. I am from Banjar Wikipedia, and we also have many Banjars in Malaysia. I'd love to see more Malaysian members contributing to the Wiki, but I prefer them to write their articles in the original Banjar language rather than using their own Malaysian Banjar dialect. We don't we want our English Wikipedia to be written in Singlish either, do we? Jiwa Matahari 04:45, 11 Méi 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's somewhat racist. But, you're probably right. It's better for Indonesian Bugis to run this wiki since they know the language better than the Malaysia. Not many Malaysian Bugis, including myself, is fluent to the language of this wiki. But, the problem now is that there are none native speaker of Buginese from Indonesia that is contributing to this wiki, and we only have me and few others Malaysian. This wiki itself is created by a Malaysian. So, it would be really helpful if you could tell your fellow Indonesia about this site and get them to contribute. I'm afraid this wiki is dying, I can't contribute any further since I'm not fluent to this language, and same with other fellow Malaysian contributing to this site (I assume). --— Kurnia 00:09, 17 Méi 2011 (UTC)

The main problem - as stated by Kurniasan already - is that there are not many Buginese contributors, regardless of their nationality or language fluency. I'd say let's support our Malaysian friends or whoever currently contributes to this wiki, while hoping patiently that more fluent speakers will join in later on. Fluency can be learned, it is the willingness to share that is hard to come by. Salam, Naval Scene 17:15, 29 Juni 2011 (UTC)

I'm actually questioning the value of all the articles added into this wiki recently, namely comunes of France. It has nothing to do with Buginese language/culture nor it has any value whatsoever other than improving the number of articles. Even then the number would be a mirage, because in a glance (Special:RandomPage) people can see that the content in this wiki is worthless for the people speaking this language. There are so many _much better_ options other than comunes of France. Please reconsider and think for the long run.

As for attracting Bugis-speaking people to edit this wiki, why not collaborating with WMID? Bennylin 1 November 2011 12.12 (UTC)

Call for image filter referendum

The Wikimedia Foundation, at the direction of the Board of Trustees, will be holding a vote to determine whether members of the community support the creation and usage of an opt-in personal image filter, which would allow readers to voluntarily screen particular types of images strictly for their own account.

Further details and educational materials will be available shortly. The referendum is scheduled for 12-27 August, 2011, and will be conducted on servers hosted by a neutral third party. Referendum details, officials, voting requirements, and supporting materials will be posted at Meta:Image filter referendum shortly.

Sorry for delivering you a message in English. Please help translate the pages on the referendum on Meta and join the translators mailing list.

For the coordinating committee,
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HiW-Bot

• Operator  : Hedwig in Washington
• Automatic or Manually Assisted : automatic
• Programming Language(s)  : Python (pywikipedia), daily update
• Function Summary  : Interwiki, Internationalization by removing chaos in Babel-Category so it can be used properly and easy. Double redirects will be added shortly
• Already has a bot flag (Y/N)  : Yes: 23 Wikis so far, others pending. see here
• Function Details  : just using the standard interwiki.py; parameters: -auto -all - log -catr

I humbly request bot status on this wiki in order to update Interwiki, and improve Internationalization by removing chaos in Babel so it can be used properly and easy by everyone.

Thank you for consideration! --Hedwig in Washington 20:28, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Language support group for Buginese

The Wikimedia Foundation has brought together a new team of developers who are dedicated to language support. This team is to support all the languages and consequently it is not realistic to expect that the team members can provide proper support for your language. It is for this reason that we are looking for volunteers who will make up a language support team.

This language support team will be asked to provide us with information about their language. Such information may need to be provided either to us or on a website that we will indicate to you. Another activity will be to test software that will likely have an effect on the running of the MediaWiki software. We are looking for people who clearly identify their ability. Formal knowledge is definitely appreciated.

As much of the activity will be concentrated on translatewiki.net, it will be a plus when team members know how to localise at translatewiki.net. Thanks, Gmeijssen 16 Oktober 2011 12.49 (UTC)

Terms of Use update

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Hello,

The Wikimedia Foundation is discussing changes to its Terms of Use. The discussion can be found at Talk:Terms of use. Everyone is invited to join in. Because the new version of Terms of use is not in final form, we are not able to present official translations of it. Volunteers are welcome to translate it, as German volunteers have done at m:Terms of use/de, but we ask that you note at the top that the translation is unofficial and may become outdated as the English version is changed. The translation request can be found at m:Translation requests/WMF/Terms of Use 2 -- Maggie Dennis, Community Liaison 27 Oktober 2011 00.32 (UTC)

Sysop request by Bersatu

I've requested sysop status for this Wikipedia from the Meta Wiki. I may gain sysop rights if there is/are no objection(s) from other users of this Wikipedia. Please reply to this statement and state weather about you agree or object. You can view the request page on meta here. Please. I want to advance this wikipedia. I must built this Buginese Wikipedias.--Bersatu 29 Oktober 2011 17.16 (UTC)

Setuju / Yes

• I vote yes. --— Kurnia 1 November 2011 09.44 (UTC)
• Sure. Bennylin 1 November 2011 10.57 (UTC)

2011 Fundraising Is Almost Here

Hello Wikipedians, my name is Alex and I am working for the Wikimedia Foundation during the 2011 Fundraiser. This year's fundraiser is intended to be a collaborative and global effort; we recognize that messages which may perform well in the United States don't necessarily translate well, or appeal to international audiences.

I'm contacting you as I am currently looking for volunteers who are willing to contribute to this project by helping translate and localize messages into your local language, suggesting community appeals for us to use, and to provide us with feedback on the Fundraising Meta Page. We've started the setup on meta for both translation, statistical analysis, and local discussion and testing. We actively encourage focusing discussion on meta so we can all work together.
Use the talk pages on meta, talk to your local communities, talk to others, talk to us. Engagement is what we strive for, without each other we would never had made Wikimedia succeed. The staff working on this fundraiser is comprised of long-time Wikimedians with as much care and concern for the success of this drive as the volunteers, and we want you to actively participate and have a voice. Everyone is welcome to contact any of us on staff at any time with a timely response to follow. I look forward to working with you during this year's fundraiser.

If someone could translate this message I would really appreciate it so that everyone is able to understand our goals and contribute to this year's campaign.
Azariv 31 Oktober 2011 22.22 (UTC)

Open Call for 2012 Wikimedia Fellowship Applicants

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• Do you want to help attract new contributors to Wikimedia projects?
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• Do you want to strengthen our community by diversifying its base and increasing the overall number of excellent participants around the world?

The Wikimedia Foundation is seeking Community Fellows and project ideas for the Community Fellowship Program. A Fellowship is a temporary position at the Wikimedia Foundation in order to work on a specific project or set of projects. Submissions for 2012 are encouraged to focus on the theme of improving editor retention and increasing participation in Wikimedia projects. If interested, please submit a project idea or apply to be a fellow by January 15, 2012. Please visit https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fellowships for more information.

Thanks!

--Siko Bouterse, Head of Community Fellowships, Wikimedia Foundation 21 Desember 2011 12.49 (UTC)

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Announcing Wikipedia 1.19 beta

Wikimedia Foundation is getting ready to push out 1.19 to all the WMF-hosted wikis. As we finish wrapping up our code review, you can test the new version right now on beta.wmflabs.org. For more information, please read the release notes or the start of the final announcement.

The following are the areas that you will probably be most interested in:

• Faster loading of javascript files makes dependency tracking more important.
• New common*.css files usable by skins instead of having to copy piles of generic styles from MonoBook or Vector's css.
• The default user signature now contains a talk link in addition to the user link.
• Searching blocked usernames in block log is now clearer.
• Better timezone recognition in user preferences.
• Improved diff readability for colorblind people.
• The interwiki links table can now be accessed also when the interwiki cache is used (used in the API and the Interwiki extension).
• More gender support (for instance in logs and user lists).
• Language converter improved, e.g. it now works depending on the page content language.
• Time and number-formatting magic words also now depend on the page content language.
• Bidirectional support further improved after 1.18.

Report any problems on the labs beta wiki and we'll work to address them before they software is released to the production wikis.

Note that this cluster does have SUL but it is not integrated with SUL in production, so you'll need to create another account. You should avoid using the same password as you use here. — Global message delivery 14 Januari 2012 23.58 (UTC)

MediaWiki 1.19

(Apologies if this message isn't in your language.) The Wikimedia Foundation is planning to upgrade MediaWiki (the software powering this wiki) to its latest version this month. You can help to test it before it is enabled, to avoid disruption and breakage. More information is available in the full announcement. Thank you for your understanding.

Guillaume Paumier, via the Global message delivery system (wrong page? You can fix it.). 12 Februari 2012 14.51 (UTC)